asked/told issue

I've been told off for suggesting that Andy told you to do anything - obviously he only asked you to do stuff...... hope you are enjoying this as much as I am.

Mind maps from Monday

Here is a link to the stuff on the wall on monday. May be of some use?

http://joeychung.myjalbum.net/pages%20from%20monday/


I need to have some pages from you all soon, with the changes that Andy has asked/told you to do, otherwise I will have to spend all weekend doing it for you - I will definitely not bring in any more chocolate if that happens!

I am finishing off Lindis's pages too so there is a limit to how much more I can do to your pages. I had planned to get it printed and bound by Friday, can you all please tell me if this will not be possible? I want to plan my work for the rest of the week.

(the document was practically unreadable in it's present form so definitely needs the effort.)

hope this is clear enough, any questions?

Commuting

I for one wouldn't want to promote St Leonards as a dormitory town for London. In these days of global warming and peak oil not to mention cancer and stress I dont think we should be promoting further wastage of time and resources and production of more pollution. We need to decentralise, get local, stay ahead of the game. Helen

Conclusion

Hi, Andy your diagram and bits for the conclusion looked great! I think that the regeneration/ investment in St. leonard's Gardens perhaps should be a 4th stage? ..emphasising that regeneration and investment in gardens can attract visitors and inhabitants and make investors interested.

Also, why it is worth investing in St. leonards:
There are housing problems in the south east, while properties are empty in St. leonards and Hastings. St. L is at a commutable distance to London, although the A 21 needs to be widened. With this done, in addition to regeneration, St. Leonards could be a prime location for people to move, relieving some of the housing problems in towns closer to London. Burton chose St. l as an ideal location for investment, because of climate, the sea, good views, etc. this is still vallid today, + the great architectural heritage is another bonus.

Hope this is of some help, sorry it is so late, I have not been very well in the last week. How did the draft go down yesterday?

Lindis

Aims of St Leonards Gardens, Conclusion

I have just spoken to Jane Dodson, the Community Development Officer for St Ls Gardens.

She has a plan for involving the public more in the gardens. Bear in mind that the gardens don't officially open until June 2008.

Along with the St L Burton Soc they are having a permanent historic interpretation exhibition in South Lodge which will be manned by locals. The resources for this will come from the Hastings Art Gallery and Museum who hold the archives of Burton's designs and books of his watercolours. Has anyone looked at these? (The museum is behind White Rock Theatre)

South Lodge will also provide facilities for groups such as children on nature trails, childrens play, tai chi and other health pursuits such as walks and jogging. They hope to do events with Royal Vic Hotel and Assembly Rooms involving artists, musicians; furniture, sound and light, installations which are forward looking but also reference the past.

There is an audience development plan to attract the public; locals, friends and visitors and tourists. They will use the 2 notice boards in the park, comission a local artist (who has done Old Town and Warror Sq) to do an interpretation board at Marina Pavillion, the new public building on the sea front, with a variety of leaflets. An important barrier to overcome are the 2 lodges which still act like gates. There will also be signs at Warrior Sq train station.

Thought this might be useful for conclusion.

Contacts: Jane Dodson, community Development Officer, St Ls Gardens, jdodson@hastings.gov.uk, 01424 451071, 07968004839
Hastings Museum and Art Gallery
Burton St Leonards Society, Christine Francis sec. 01424 421207

Helen

layout guidelines

We are just refining the layout guidelines so that you can amend your documents. sorry it is taking so long.

New set of maps

Hi all
Hope you have all recovered from Monday.

Here is a link to all the maps you may need. http://www.paulchung.free-online.co.uk/maps/

I need to know which ones you want me to use for the thumbnail as it needs to cover the area you are working on, so please look at them and let me know.

It is best to open them in photoshop and crop them to the area you need. The historic maps appear odd unless you turn off the pixel aspect ratio setting in the view menu on photoshop. I could not find an early enough historic map on Digimap historic maps, but you may have some already.

Any problems, let me know or go onto digimap carto. I have only just got the hang of this myself, but will try to help if I can.

I will type up a list of guidelines for the document and post it on here later tonight, after children have gone to bed.

changes to tomorrow

Lindis has arranged with Alan that they will go first, in the hope that Lindis will be able to make it in before the start of the presentation. She is getting her eye checked properly at the eye clinic, on Monday morning. So thanks to everyone in Alans team for agreeing to swap.

I will bring the presentation in on a disk and on the pen drive in the morning. I have got a talk to do for Tom first thing, so cannot go through it in the morning, but we will have a little time to look at it, or you can go through it whilst I am humiliating myself giving a talk I am completely unprepared for! I will do Lindis's talk if she cannot get in. have you all got your notes or do we need to print them off in the morning? Could someone bring in a laptop as mine has been hijacked by small children and is full of games.

Cheers
Jo

Finally finished the damned thing!

Here is a link to a pdf of the presentation for reference.

http://www.paulchung.free-online.co.uk/Presentation.pdf

hope it is ok

I don't think I ever want to go to St. Leonards again!

Hope it is all going ok

hope it is going well - I will start compiling the presentation in the morning at about 9 am, does that give you all enough time? - Please let me know if you will be sending me stuff later than that then I can organise my work tomorrow
Thanks
Jo

Hi everybody, it is great to see so many posts on the blogg!

My addition to the conclusion would be:
The geology of St. Leonards adds fantastic character to the place. The sandstone cliffs are spectacular. Combined with the interesting topography and beautiful sea, it is very picturesque. Because the layout of streets and buildings work with the geology and topography, it all sits well together and there is a unique sense of place that follows from this. The good climate, low polution levels and low floodrisk (only along seafront) makes this an ideal place to live. St. Leonards gardens is a lost opportunity, which could be a major pulling point to get people and money into the area if it was brought up to date with design aimed at contemporary use. It could become a social bustling place, helping to build up the community spirit.

Maps

I have sorted out a series of historic maps, 1899, 1910,1962 that show the area changing, I have emailed them to andy, Neil and Tracey. I have also sent Laura new maps for the transport links etc. I will attempt to figure out how to send as a pdf or upload as a pdf so that the email box does not fill up. If any of you want higher resolution maps of the park etc can you text me and I will send them to you.

Cheers
Jo

ARTS CONCLUSION

The visual arts scene in St. Leonard’s is embracing on technology to bring it forward to the eyes of the public out of Hastings. The use of the HastingsArt.net website brings an international audience to an otherwise dead and unknown town allowing artists to express their abilities freely while being able to make a living from their work.

Numerous open gallery spaces are available within the area. The recently refurbished arts forum gallery, situated opposite the marina pavilion just outside St. Leonard’s park. Offers a state of the art modern gallery space, conference space and can be easily hired out to the public related to the arts forum.

Annual events held in the area help bring tourism and culture into the area during the summer months. Not only does this Increase income for local shops, Hotels and charities but increases awareness for artists and the music scene and the area in general.

conclusion

hello all,

for the conclusion i was thinking:
St Leonard s was at one point a up and coming place how ever they tried to run before they could walk and as a result things went a badly. The demographic is a mix of the young and old however if we can improve the park and help increase the business and economy of St Leonard s then this will offer the younger demographic a good place to live and work in to adulthood. this will then even out the demographic to a level more like the rest of the country and increase revenue for the council which in turn will improve services and increase safety.

St Leonards pics

Conclusion

I was thinking of what people have said about St Leonards being a missed opportunity. How about using the following quote:

The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
Winston Churchill

ie. there's so much scope to make the gardens great again. St Leonards Gardens can act as the first staging post in putting the area back on the map for all the right reasons.

St Leonards and All That Jazz...

Hi All.

I wish you all good thins for Monday - and beyond. I'm sorry I can't be there with you - but it's simply not possible.

I am looking forward to this break so much - and it was all organised by Hubby - before I joined the final year - but at the same time I feel uncomfortable about leaving you to sort it all out. I have tried to do as much as I can towards the presentation and the document but I know I should/would have done more, given time... So, everyone, my apologies.

Keep cool, appreciate each other's efforts - and it'll be all right on the day!

See you all soon.

Sisko

PS

Allot of whitstable people hate the bloody tourists and londoners, but hey, the pubs are nicer now.

Right its Friday Night. I have revised my slides and given them to Mark with also the revised notes ahead of Monday. I have started the conclusion and I will have that posted here for tomorrow. Have a good weekend!

Whats it all about.

well after hearing every ones stuff today, ..... the area has great history, great architecture, good art scene, nice landscape (beach) , and people proud of their home, but not allot of jobs. SL was, as Neil is going to say, a great holiday destination and could easily be again. It hasn't been ruined, unlike other coastal towns, by amusement arcades, ferry terminals, excessive amounts of retirement homes or big industry. What would help is more tourists, maybe not for the annual family summer break but for the weekend or even the day(better access, didn't quite get how long it takes to get from London on a summer weekend day, but know its a shit drive for me). So a well designed gardens to benefit more of the local people, visitors to the hotel, and visitors to the beach and all the lovely art galleries, posh delis and trendy cafe`s under the colonnades and the revamped mercatoria district, will help in the general regeneration of SL. Fifteen years ago you wouldn't want to live in whitstable, now its packed every weekend and only because it escaped the standard coastal development i mentioned before. We have got a bit of history but not the wealth of architecture. 1830s and 1930s.
Well that's what i think.
So there.

Presentation

I am sorry that I upset you all today. I will provide further maps as agreed and compile the presentation with the pages provided to me.

If I could have them by Saturday evening then I will do what I can on Sunday.

Regarding the document I would suggest that it would be more appropriate if the responsibility for ensuring the work is of an acceptable standard was shared
amongst the team so that we all check each others work and exchange feedback with each other before it is sent to me.

I think Lindis has been put under an unreasonable amount of pressure to ensure that work was done in time and was to a standard acceptable to the whole team.

intro and conclusion

Do any of you have any thought about the intro and conclusion?
Not that I am expecting a response from many of you.

My photos of st leonards

http://joeychung.myjalbum.net/jostleonardspics/

link to my st leonards pic. was a bit of a grey day so they are not brilliant but can be improved on photoshop if you want me to do anything to them

maps

Does anyone know exactly what the Burtons built and which areas are lavatoria and mercatoria

Photos

Hopefully this will work.
http://picasaweb.google.com/wiltshier.andy/StLeonards
This is a link to the pics i took down St .Leonards recently.
If any of you can post links to your own photos i'd appreciate it as i need some better shots.
Also very important(not sure if Jo has mentioned it but Jamie is 'looking forward' to what our conclusions are to the site/area. We need to agree this before Monday.
I think if each of you can give your own opinion in relation to your subject, and your ideas in general, then we should be able to sift out what the main points out.

As i've said , to me its the well preserved, diverse, architecture and 'village' layout, with little corruption from the usual 1960's onwards development( amusement arcades, ice cream parlors, tattoo shops), if you've been to Margate you'll know what i mean. + the history of the burtons , marine parade two tiered walkway etc
The negatives in my subject are minimal because 1960's architecture is lost amongst the good stuff.
So... need to know what you all think.

Sections of the presentation

Hi all

Have uploaded all the sections of the presentation I have got so far so you can all see them. I will be in on friday morning with the presentation ready for the run through, so I need to have everything ASAP so that I can go through it all lining everything up and checking it for repetition etc.

Are you all happy with what you have got to do and are you happy with what I am doing so far? - don't worry you can't upset me! (Well you will, but I won't tell you!)

Could you all email me the uncompressed images or better still use picasa or jalbum to upload them - then paste the link into here. I already have quite a few blurry images to replace. If you send me the images I can sort it out quickly myself and you can get on with something else. All images need to be clean and crisp as they look fuzzy when projected - remember how big they are going to be.

If the text is tiny on the image i.e. unreadable - remove it or change it - some of the tables have keys that can't be read from a distance. Some maps have text on them that is also illegible. Please ask yourself - what is that image telling me - if the answer is nothing, remove it.

The presentation will not be on automatic timing, you will have to click to go onto the next slide when you are ready.

Slides will have a medium speed fade in and out, the same all the way through. If you want the images to appear before the bullet points let me know.

Any positive suggestions for improving the presentation (Apart from "shut up and *!!* off Jo!") will be gratefully received.

CONCLUSION
Think we need to pick up on Andy's idea of selling the site - without lapsing into Estate Agent speak (comment from Julia) Maybe summarise future plans for St. Leonards and throw in a few of our own ideas too?

Right I am off to scream in a dark corner then gaze at the pile of books that I hope will transform itself into five illustrated notebooks somehow.

JOINER

hey there,

So here I am!

Jo, I hope to send the work through pretty soonish!

Presentation

I will attempt to upload the presentation tonight so that you can all see what we have there.

Would it be advisable to write notes for each page in the notes section so that if any speakers are poorly someone else can take over easily?

Jamie also advised us to have a back up plan in case there was a power failure etc. Any suggestions? Do we need a hard copy or will it be ok on a laptop?

I think we need to think about the rhythm of the presentation, maybe to slow it down for a breather at the end of each section by putting an image on that we pause on to mark the end of that section?

Some of the images are quite blurry when projected - please do not compress your images - check that you are not doing this automatically by accident. If this means you have a large file consider emailing it to me 2 pages at a time, or even pop in with it - I live in Hildenborough - near Hadlow and will be around on and off through the week.

diagrams looked much clearer than photos when projected - consider this if the image looks grainy up close.

Try to focus on the key information in your section of the presentation do not repeat points, don't use 3 images of something if 1 will do. I will check to see that we do not repeat any images etc.

If an image is inappropriate or just not good enough or irrelevant we will have to change them - don't take it personally. - It is no point not saying something now and then all being pissed off with each other if we do not get a good enough mark later.

I was at the course meeting last year and it was noted that some students were still upset about the result they got for the group work six months later - don't think it would be good for any of us to feel that way about it, hurt feeling now are better than months of resentment.

I take back what I said to Mark about his presentation skills last week too, thought this weeks was v. good.

If anybody needs me to do anything before Friday, if you are having a lot of trouble with anything call me and I will try to help.

Presentation

Iv'e got 1 section of the presentation so far, How are the rest of you doing?

I have just re-invited the others to join the blog, not sure if they had missed it or were not keen to? anyway hopefully we should all be here soon.

Selling it!

Ohh and finally, yes Andy I do agree, it's all about selling our site, and having seen it in full sunnshine, I can confirm that it is a brilliant site with bags of potential.

Lindis

Architects

Has anybody been able to track down the architects in charge of the renovations of the gardens? I can't, please let me know if you do.

Lindis

Who uses the gardens?

I've just been to the gardens today around lunchtime. It was lovely and sunney and several dogwalkers used the park, in addition to people sitting on benches, one mum and buggy, and some students. As soon as the sun went in people dissapeared, but it shows that people do use the place in good weather.

Lindis

RE: Maps

I have got some different maps of the site from Digimap, but I would recomend you perhaps donload one yourself, Jo, as you can turn on and off different elements to customize the map to exactly what you would like. If you do not have a digimap account or can't work it out, let me know and I'll send you some. (the ones I've already downloaded focus on topography, so probably not right for the thumbnail, but I can always make some more if necesssary).

Lindis

maps

Does anyone have a good map I can use for the thumbnails already or shall I hunt around? I need one that shows a 1km area all around the site and one that shows just the site. I was going to muck around on photoshop with the ones Jamie sent but they are too detailed for a thumbnail.

Arcitecture St. Leonards

Presentation- whats it all about??

Been thinking about the presentation and come to the conclusion that this is an exercise in selling a development proposal, to say, the district council/lottery commission, which will actually be the Bexhill group(+ Jamie).

With this in mind i was thinking about what makes St. Leonards a better site than Bexhill to choose for master plan and it seems to me to be the unique history and character of the 'model village' and its relatively intact layout( + later arts and crafts, and art deco stuff).

What we don't want to do is just present a load of information. We're selling our site, whats right, whats wrong and why its worth investing in the park to help improve the character and importance of the whole 'village/sea front'.

O.K, so does this make sense or am i just saying what everyone already knew.

Please write your thoughts.

Andy.

Historical coastal towns regeneration

Just found this - English Heritage published a report last month into the regeneration of historic coastal towns.

Aiming to have all the templates and maps sorted by tomorrow. Going to go with Tracey's suggestion of mirroring the page layout with the small info. panels containing the map thumbnails etc on the outside edge of each page? Is that what we agreed?!
Have also shared the Powerpoint presentation template with you all.

First Post

Has the whole document got to be reformatted or just our bits?